From jmhjr@efortress.com Fri Nov 26 10:45:16 1999 Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk Subject: Beverly Oliver-M's Statements to me. From: "John Hunt" Date: 26 Nov 1999 09:45:16 -0600 Fresh from attending the Lancer Conference, I have some news. Beverly Oliver took the podium and announced to the crowd that "her" film had been found. She said she was provided with four frames of the film to prove its authenticity. Of course a hand screamed into the air, the question being, can we see the picture. She said "No" with great definite. She said she could not show the pictures as part of the deal to obtain the film. Sounds reasonable to me. I saw BO in the lobby. I said to her that I understand that she could not show the picture to me but could she describe the scene. She said it showed the head shot and the GK assassin. I told her I sincerely hoped she was successful in obtaining the film as it would embarrass those why had doubted her and would be a sweet vindication. I asked her if she was the one seen in the Z-film behind Brehm and son. She hesitated then said yes. I thanked her and was on my way. I had never been convinced by BO's story. That is my personal opinion to which I'm entitled, as I'm sure most of you would agree. My mind was open, however. I relate to you the rest of the story because Beverly Oliver never asked not to. She never asked me to keep what I was about to see in confidence. If she had, I certainly would have. But she did not do that. I found it strange then, and as I've had time to reflect on what occurred, it becomes stranger still. Any way, here goes. I was seated towards the front of the conference room the next morning. The conference had already started when Oliver came in. I was not surprised when she chose to sit at the table and chair opposite mine. She shuffled papers from her bag onto the table. She held four photo close to her chest like a poker player with the winning hand. She ever so carefully laid the photos face down on the table. As she shuffled the paper around , one of the photos fell off the table and landed face up on the floor. Of course I looked. Very quickly she scooped up the photo and returned it to the pile. After Oliver was done shuffling the papers and photos she motioned for me to come close. I knew I was about to see a photo. I was excited. I leaned over to her and she said pull your chair close. I did. She said that she was going to show me the head shot from this newly discovered film. She did. She also quickly showed me the other three. I was stunned! They were the head shot from the Nix film. I immediately recognized the frames. It is not often at all that I am speechless, as my long suffering love will tell you. :-) I was speechless at that moment, however. Scenarios raced through my mind. I thanked her and said something to the effect of, "good for you." At the break, BO showed one of the photos to Doug Horne as he was answering question from those who had approached the speakers table at the head of the room. She made sure that only he could see that frame, yet let her words freely be heard. She reiterated a point she made the day before, and I quote: "it must be my film 'cause I aint in the frames". I talked to BO during that break. I said the film was taken from a point too far to the west to be the Babushka film. She said "I was running as I filmed and you can see that in the Zapruder film". I was stunned again, but not speechless. I thought she might be talking about panning the camera to follow the limo and had chosen her words poorly. I said, "Oh, you mean you were panning along with the limo." She said, "No, I was running as I filmed and you can see that in the Zapruder film." Even a cursory viewing of the Z-film shows that not to be the case. I was, and still am, confused by these statements. Later, as she was sitting on the south Side of Elm St. just west of where Hill and Moorman stood on 11-22-1963, I tried to demonstrate to BO that the film was taken from the wrong perspective to be the Babushka film. She dismissed me with a wave of the hand and these words, and I quote: "you have to understand the physics of it." She did not want to hear what I had to say. I attempted to show her that the film could not be the Babushka film in order to save her aggravation and time and money. My intent was to help and to clarify, not to embarrass. I left her, and Jack White with whom she was discussing the photos, with a polite salutation. This much is certain: 1. The photo Beverly Oliver showed me was the head shot frame from the Nix film to the exclusion of all others. 2. The frame she showed me was corrected for the slope of Elm St. Bob Groden did this in "The Assassination Films." To my knowledge, few other researchers correct the photos in relation to the horizon. I do, as my upcoming essay will attest. 3. The Babushka lady is seen at the instant of the head shot in the Muchmore film. She has not moved and her feet are spread wide. She remained planted in that spot as she panned her camera. 4. Beverly Oliver never asked me to keep in confidence what she was about to show me. Nor did she ask me afterward when it should have become apparent to her that I did not believe the photo to be from the Babushka film. There are more details, but this is the core of the conversations I had with BO. The quotes provided above come from the contemporaneous notes I made. John Hunt