CRAIG ZIRBEL AND THE WARREN COMMISSION SHOOTING TESTS


	A textbook example of how to mangle evidence to support
conspiracy conclusions is found in Craig Zirbel's THE TEXAS
CONNECTION.

	Below is the passage where Zirbel describes the Warren
Commission's shooting tests with Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano
rifle.

	Below Zirbel, we have included the Warren Commission 
testimony that he is describing.  Note the contrast.


>	While the Commission went to desperate lengths to "prove 
>that Oswald killed Kennedy with the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle" 
>it in fact proved the contrary. On November 27, 1963 the 
>F.B.I. conducted the initial series of rifle tests with the 
>alleged assassination weapon. As part of the tests the 
>F.B.I.determined that because Kennedy was moving away in the 
>limousine Oswald had at most 5.6 seconds to fire the three 
>shots that allegedly killed him. This time range conclusion 
>was based on observations from Oswald's alleged vantage point 
>on the southwest corner of the 6th floor in the Texas School 
>Book Depository in comparison to films and photographs of the
>murder. It was established that Oswald's vision of the target 
>was blocked for a time by a large tree. As a result, while 
<the motorcade did travel for almost a full block on Elm 
>Street in front of Oswald, from Oswald's postion it was 
>agreed that he had less than 6 full seconds to fire the three 
>shots at the target when it was in view. 


	In fact, the Warren Commission never said that Oswald 
had only 6 seconds to get off three shots. This is a convenient 
misrepresentation by conspiracy authors.  The Warren Commission's
actual discussion of this issue is at WCR, p. 117.

	Most people today who believe that Oswald did the shooting
by himself believe that he made the first shot at about Zapruder
frame 160, giving him about 8.4 seconds to get off all three
shots.


>To prove that this 
>was possible and that Oswald was the lone assassin, the 
>F.B.I. started out by having three master marksmen using 
>Oswald's rifle rapidly fire a series of 3 shots at stationary 
>targets located only 45 feet away. The three experts each 
>fired 3 shots within 9 seconds, 8 seconds and 6 seconds, 
>respectively. In this test none of the marksmen were 
>physically capable of firing the three rounds within the 5.6 
>second requirement. Also, not surprisingly, all of the 
>marksmen's shots were high and to the right, missing the 
>stationary targets located only 45 feet away.


In fact, all the shots *hit* the targets!

These targets are Commission Exhibits 548 and 549.


>	Because these tests did not support the lone assassin 
>conclusion, the F.B.I. was required to conduct another test 
>on March 16, 1964. However, on this occasion only the best of 
>the three original marksmen was used (Robert Frazier with a 
>previous best time of 6 seconds). In this test Frazier was 
>required to fire a series of 3 shots at a stationary target 
>300 feet away. On this occasion Frazier's times for each of 
>the 3 shot test series were 5.9 seconds, 6.2 seconds, and 6.5
>seconds. Again, the expert failed to match Oswald's alleged 
>time of 5.6 seconds, and again all of the shots were high and 
>to the right of the intended target. Thus, "the best of the 
>best" marksmen still could not help the Commission support
>the lone assassin theory.

Actually, there were *four* series of shots by Frazier.

The times were 5.9 seconds, 6.2 seconds, 5.6 seconds, and 6.5
seconds.

Zirbel *left out* Frazier's best series, the one with a 5.6
second time.

And all of Frazier's shots *hit* the targets.  They were "high 
and to the right of the *aiming point.*  Zirbel (above) says
there were "high and to the right" of the target.

These targets are Commission Exhibits 551, 552, 553, and 554.



>	Not giving up, on March 27, 1964 a third test was 
>arranged. This test was conducted by the U.S. Army Ballistic 
>Research Laboratory using three new marksmen again firing at 
>stationary targets. Again, only one of the three experts was 
>capable of firing three shots close to the required time 
>limit. However, continuing its effots to "prove" the 
>impossible was possible, the Commission allowed the new 
>marksmen to use a gun rest, and to take as much time as they 
>needed to line up their first shot at the stationary target 
>(which Oswald could not do because the Kennedy limousine was 
>emerging from trees). But even with these altered test 
>conditions the marksmen again failed.


The shooters had a gun rest, and so did Oswald.

Zirbel says that Oswald would not have had an opportunity to
take his time lining up the first shot, since he didn't shoot
(Zirbel says) until Kennedy emerged from behind the tree.

Again, this is a convenient assumption if you want to believe
Oswald's shooting to be "impossible," but doesn't address a
scenario where he fired the first shot at about Z-160.

Now, Zirbel's outrageous misrepresentations:

First, Zirbel says that one of the shooters was "close to the
required time" -- implying that even that shooter failed to make
the shots in 5.6 seconds.  In fact, Specialist Miller made the
shots in 4.6 seconds and 5.15 seconds.  (He also completed a
series of 3 shoots with iron sights in 4.45 seconds.)

Note that *both* series from *every* shooter was done in less
that the 8.4 seconds that Oswald probably had.  See Simmon's 
testimony below.

Second:  Zirbel says the "marksmen again failed," implying that
like the FBI shooters (whom Zirbel has misrepresented) that they
failed to hit the target.

Out of 18 shots (three targets time three shooters times two
trials each) 13 SHOTS HIT THE TARGET -- a human head-and-shoulders
silhouette.


The Damaged Scope


One additional -- and important -- thing to remember is that the
shots in all of these shooting tests landed consistently high
and to the right by a few inches.  This was because the scope
on Oswald's rifle was damaged.

No one knows when the scope was damaged, or whether Oswald even
used the scope -- as opposed to the iron sights that were more
than adequate for the distances involved in Dealey Plaza.  If
the scope was damaged when Oswald jammed it into a stack of 
boxes on his way down from the sixth floor of the depository,
all the shooters in the Warren Commission tests were shooting
with a handicap that Oswald didn't have.


Now, the WC testimony of FBI weapons expert Robert Frazier,
taken from 3H402-406.

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	Mr. Eisenberg. Have you tested Commission Exhibit 139 to 
determine its accuracy under rapid-fire conditions?
	
	Mr. Frazier. Yes; I have.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Can you describe these tests?

	Mr. Frazier. A series of three tests were made. When we 
first received the rifle, there was not an opportunity to test it 
at long range, so we tested it at short range. After we had 
obtained sample bullets and cartridge cases from it, we fired 
accuracy and speed tests with it. Three examiners did the firing, 
all three being present at the same time. The first tests were made 
at 15 yards, and shooting at a silhouette target. 

	Mr. Eisenberg. A silhouette of a man?

	Mr. Frazier. A paper silhouette target of a man; yes.
	Possibly you may wish to mark these, to refer to them.

	Mr. Eisenberg. These targets were made by you or in your 
presence?

	Mr. Frazier. These are actually copies of the actual 
targets. I have the actual targets here, if you would rather use 
those. However, the markings show better on the copies than they do 
on the actual targets.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Chairman, I request permission to 
introduce the copies for the reasons given, as Commission Exhibits 
548 and 549.

	Mr. McCloy. You have made these copies, Mr. Frazier?

	Mr. Frazier. Well, I had them made. They are actual xerox 
copies of the original targets, which are black, and do not show 
the markings placed around the holes.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Off the record. 

	(Discussion off the record.)

	Mr. McCloy. Back on the record.

	Mr. Frazier, you have the original targets that were used 
in this experiment.

	Mr. McCloy. Were you one of the three that fired?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir. 

	Mr. McCloy. Can you identify your target as distinguished 
from the other two?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir.

	Mr. McCloy. Do you have the target that you fired?

	Mr. Frazier. I fired -- yes, I do. However, another 
examiner also fired at this same target.

	Mr. McCloy. Have you made a copy of that -- or did you 
cause a copy of that target to be made?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir.

	Mr. McCloy. And you have that with you?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes; I do.

	Mr. McCloy. Have you marked it yet?

	Mr. Eisenberg. No. That would be 548.

	Mr. McCloy. Suppose you identify that copy.

	Mr. Eisenberg. This copy that you are presenting to us has 
intials at the bottom "CC-R-CK"?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir.

	Mr. Eisenberg. And the numbers and letters D-2 on the right 
hand margin?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir.

	Mr. Eisenberg. And that has been copied under your 
supervision?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Chairman?

	Mr. McCloy. That can be admitted as Commission Exhibit 548.

	(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit 548 
and received in evidence.)

	Mr. McCloy. Now, is Commission Exhibit 548 an accurate copy 
of the target which you have -- that you fired, and which you 
presented?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes; it is.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Now, you also have a copy here which has the 
name on it Killion, and similar intitials, letters, and numbers to 
the other target. Is this an accurate copy which you had prepared?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir. That was the target fired by Charles 
Killion in my presence.

	Mr. Eisenberg. May I have this admitted as 549?

	Mr. McCloy. It may be admitted.

	(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 
548, and received in evidence.)

	Mr. Eisenberg. This test was performed  at 15 yards, did 
you say, Mr. Frazier?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir. And this series of shots we fired to 
determine actually the speed at which the rifle could be fired, not 
being overly familiar with this particular firearm, and also to 
determine the accuracy of the weapon under those conditions.

	Mr. Eisenberg. And could you give us the names of the three 
agents who participated?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes. sir. Charles Killion, Cortlandt 
Cunningham, and myself.	

	Mr. Eisenberg. And the date?

	Mr. Frazier. November 27, 1963.

	Mr. Eisenberg. How many  shots did each agent fire?

	Mr. Frazier. Killion fired three, Cunningham fired three, 
and I fired three.

	Mr. Eisenberg. And do you have the times within which each 
agent fired the three shots?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir. Killion fired his three shots in 
nine seconds, and they are shown -- the three shots are 
interlocking, shown on Commission Exhibit No. 549. 

	Cunningham fired three shots -- I know the approximate 
number of seconds was seven.

	Cunningham's time was approximately seven seconds.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Can you at a later date confirm the exact 
time?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir.

	Mr. Eisenberg. And you will do that by letter to the 
Commission, or if you happen to come back by oral testimony?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir.

	Mr. Eisenberg. And your time, Mr. Frazier?

	Mr. Frazier. For this series, was six seconds, for my three 
shots, which also were on the target at Mr. Cunningham fire, which 
is Exhibit 548.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Could you characterize the dispersion of the 
shots on the two targets which you have been showing us, 548 and 
549?

	Mr. Frazier. The bullets landed approximately -- in 
Killion's target, No. 549, approximately 2 1/2 inches high, and 1 
inch to the right, in the area about the size of a dime, 
interlocking in the paper all three shots.

	On Commission Exhibit 548, Cunningham fired three shots. 
These shots were interlocking, or within an eighth of an inch of 
each other, and were located approximately 4 inches high and 1 inch 
to the right of the aiming point. The three shots which I fired 
were -- landed in a three-quarter inch circle, two or three of them 
interlocking with Cunningham's shots, 4 inches high, and 
approximately 1 inch to the right of the aiming point.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Can you describe the second series of tests?

	Mr. Frazier. The second test which was performed was two 
series of three shots at 25 yards, instead of 15 yards. I fired 
both of these tests, firing them at a cardboard target, in an 
effort to determiine how fast the weapon could be fired primarily, 
with secondary purpose of accuracy.

	We did not attempt -- I did not attempt to maintain in that 
test an accurate rate of fire.

	This is the actual target which I fired.

	Mr. Eisenberg. And that target has all six holes in it?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir -- two series of three holes, the 
first three holes being marked with the No.1, and the second series 
being marked No.2.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Chairman, I would like this introduced 
as 550.

	Mr. McCloy. That will be admitted.

	(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 
550, and recieved in evidence.)

	Mr. Eisenberg. Could you describe for the record the 
dispersion on the two series?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir. The first series of three shots were 
approximately -- from 4 to 5 inches high and from 1 to 2 inches to 
the right of the aiming point and landed within a 2 inch circle. 
These three shots were fired in 4.8 seconds. The second series of 
shots landed -- one was about 1 inch high, and the other about 4 or 
5 inches high, and the maximum spread was 5 inches.

	That series was fired in 4.6 seconds.

	Mr. Eisenberg. And do you have the date?

	Mr. Frazier. That also was on the 27th of November.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Same date as the first tests?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir.

	Mr. Eisenberg.  And you performed one more test, I believe?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir. We fired additional targets at 100 
yards on the range at Quantico, VA., firing groups of three shots. 
And I have the four targets we fired here.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Chairman, I would like these admitted as 
551, 552, 553, through 554. 

	Mr. McCloy. They may be admitted.

	(The documents referred to were marked Commission Exhibits 
Nos. 551, through 554, and received in evidence.)

	Mr. Eisenberg. Who fired these shots, Mr. Frazier?

	Mr. Frazier. I fired them.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Can you characterize the dispersion on each 
of the four targets?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir.

	On the Commission Exhibit 551 the three shots landed 
approximately 5 inches high and within a 3 1/2 inch circle, almost 
on a line horizontally across the target. This target and the other 
targets were fired on March 16, 1964 at Quantico, VA. These three 
shots were fired in 5.9 seconds. 

	The second target fired is Commission Exhibit 552, 
consisting of three shots fired in 6.2 seconds, which landed in 
approximately a 4 1/2  to 5-inch circle located 4 inches high and 3 
or 4 inches to the right of the aiming point.

	Commission Exhibit No. 553 is the third target fired, 
consisting of three shots which landed in a 3-inch circle located 
about 2 1/2 inches high and 2 inches to the right of the aiming 
point.

	These three shots were fired in 5.6 seconds. 

	And Commission Exhibit No. 554, consistion of three shots 
fired in 6.5 seconds, which landed approximately 5 inches high  and 
5 inches to the right of the aiming point, all within a 3 1/2 inch 
circle.

	Mr. McCloy. The first one is not exactly five inches to the 
right, is it?

	Mr. Frazier. No, sir. The center of the circle in which 
they all landed would be about 5 inches high and 5 inches to the 
right.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Frazier, could you tell us why, in your 
opinion, all the shots, virtually all the shots, are grouped high 
and to the right of the aiming poiint.

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir. When we attempted to sight in this 
rifle at Quantico, we found that the elevation adjustment in the 
telescope sight was not sufficient to bring the point of impact to 
the aiming point

[...]


	Mr. Eisenberg. Do you know when the defect of this scope, 
which causes you not to be able to adjust the elevation crosshair 
in the manner it should be -- do you know when this defect was 
introduced into the scope?

	Mr. Frazier. No; I do not. However, on the back end of the 
scope tube there is a rather severe scrape which was on this weapon 
when we received it in the laboratory, in which some of the metal 
has been removed, and the scope tube could have been damaged.


	Mr. Eisenberg. did you first test the weapon for accuracy 
on November 27th?

	Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Have you any way of determining whether the 
defect preexisted November 27th?

	Mr. Frazier. When we fired on November 27th, the shots were 
landing high and slightly to the right. However, the scope was 
apparently fairly well stabilized at that time, because three shots 
would land in an area the size of a dime under rapid-fire 
conditions, which would not have occurred if the interior mechanism 
of the scope was shifting.

	Mr. Eisenberg. But you are unable to say whether -- or are 
you able to say whether -- the defect existed before November 27th? 
That is, precisely when it was introduced?

	Mr. Frazier. As far as to be unable to adjust the scope, 
actually, I could not say when it had been introduced. I don't know 
actually what the cause is. It may be that the mount has been bent 
or the crosshair ring shifted.

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Now, describing the most realistic of the Warren Commission's
shooting tests, is Ronald Simmons of the Army's Ballistics
Research Laboratory.  This testimony is taken from 3H444-447.


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	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Simmons, did you have a test 
run to determine the possibility of scoring hits with 
this weapon, Exhibit 139, on a given target at a give 
distance under rapid-fire conditions?

	Mr. Simmons. Yes; we did. We placed three 
targets, which were head and shoulder silhouettes, at 
distances of 175 geet, 240 feet, and 265 feet, and these 
distances are slant ranges from the window lege of a 
tower which is about 30 feet high. We used three firers 
in an attempt to obtain hits on all three targets within 
as short a time interval as possible.

	I should make one comment here relative to the 
angular displacement of the targets. We did not reproduce 
these angles exactly from the map which we had been given 
because the conditions in the field were a little awkward 
for this. But the distance -- the angular distance from 
the first target to the second was greater than from the 
second to the third, which would tend to correspond 
to a longer interval of time between the first and second 
impact than between the second and third. The movement of 
the rifle was greater from the first to the second target 
than from the second to the third.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Simmons, were your marksmen 
instructed to aim at the three targets in consecutive 
order?

	Mr. Simmons. The marksmen were instructed to take 
as much time as they desired at the first target, and 
then to fire -- at the first target, being at 175 feet -- 
to then fire at the target emplaced at 240 feet, and then 
at the one at 265 feet.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Can you state where you derived 
these distances?

	Mr. Simmons. These distances were the values 
given on the survey map which were given to us. 

	Mr. Eisenberg. Are you sure they were not the 
values I gave to you myself?

	Mr. Simmons. I stand corrected. These are values 
-- we were informed that the numbers on the survey map 
were possibly in error. The distances are very close, 
however.

	Mr. Eisenberg. For the record, the figures which 
I gave Mr. Simmons are approximations and are not to be 
taken as the Commission's conclusive determination of 
what those distances are.

	Mr. Simmons. For our experiment, I do not see how 
a difference of a few feet would make any difference.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Now, Mr. Simmons, did you take 
pictures or have pictures taken showing what that range 
looked like?

	Mr. Simmons. Yes; I have copies of these pictures 
here. I show you three pictures -- the first showing the 
window from which the weapon was fired in our 
experiments; the second showing the view of the three 
targets from the window; and the third showing a riflemen 
in position. 

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Simmons, did you take these 
pictures yourself?

	Mr. Simmons. No; these pictures were taken by one 
of the camera men from the development and proof
services.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Did you see the scenes represented 
in these pictures?

	Mr. Simmons. Yes.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Are these pictures accurate 
reproductions of these scenes?

	Mr. Simmons. Yes, sir.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Chairman, I would like to have 
the first, second, and third pictures described by Mr. 
Simmons admitted as exhibits. That will be 579 for the 
first, 580 for the second, and 581 for the third.


	Mr. McCloy. They may be admitted.

	(The photograghs referred to were marked 
Commission Exhibits Nos. 579, 580, and 581 and received 
in evidence.)

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Simmons, the targets were -- 
well, can you describe the targets for us?

	Mr. Simmons. The targets are standard 
head-and-shoulders silhouettes, and they consist of 
approximately 2 square feet in area.

	Mr. Eisenberg. How many marksmen were involved?

	Mr. Simmons. We used three riflemen.

	Mr. Eisenberg. And can you tell us what their 
background was?

	Mr. Simmons. Yes. All three riflemaen are rated 
as Master by the National Rifle Association. Two of them 
are civilian gunners in the Small Arms Division of our 
Development and Proof Services, and the third is 
presently in the Army, and he has considerable background 
as a rifleman, and also has a Master rating.


	Mr. Eisenberg. Each fired one or more series of 
three rounds?

	Mr. Simmons. Each fired two series of three 
rounds, using the telescopic sight. Then one of the firers repeated
the exercise using the iron sight -- because we had no indication
whether the telescope had been used. 

	Mr. Eisenberg. So the total number of rounds 
fired was what?

	Mr. Simmons. 21.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Did you bring with you targets or 
copies of the targets?

	Mr. Simmons. I brought photos of the targets.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Did you take these photograghs, 
Mr. Simmons, or have them taken under your supervision?

	Mr. Simmons. These photograghs were taken by the 
photograghic laboratory in our Ballistic Measurement 
Laboratory, which is one of the complex of laboratories 
within the Ballistic Research Laboratory.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Can you verify these photograghs 
as being accurate reproductions of the targets?

	Mr. Simmons. Yes, sir.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Chairman, may I have these 
admitted as 582, 583, and 584?

	Mr. McCloy. They may be admitted.

	(The photograghs referred to were marked 
Commission Exhibits Nos. 582, 583, and 584 for 
identifaction and received in evidence.)

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Simmons, could you discuss the 
results of the tests you ran, by using these photograghs?

	Mr. Simmons. Exhibit 582 is the target which was 
emplaced at 175 feet.  All firers hit the first target, 
and this was to be expected, because they had as much 
time as they desired to aim at the first target.

	As you can see from the picture, the accuracy of 
the weapon is quite good.

	Mr. Eisenberg. That first target is what 
distance?

	Mr. Simmons. 175 feet. And we had to make an 
assumption here about the point of aim. It is quite 
likely that in fact each man was aiming at a different 
portion of the target -- there were no markings on the 
target visible to the firer. 

	Mr. Eisenberg. Did I understand you just told the 
firers to aim at the target without referring to --

	Mr. Simmons. Yes.

	Mr. Eisenberg. There is an apparent crossline 
running darkly through that photogragh.

	Mr. Simmons. These lines were drawn in 
afterwards, in order for us to make some measurements 
from the actual impact point.

	The target which was emplaced at 240 feet, as 
shown in Exhibit 583 -- we had rather an unusual 
coincidence with respect to this target. This involved
the displacement of the weapon to a sufficient angle that 
the basic firing position of the man had to be changed. 
And because they knew time was very important, they made 
the movement very quickly. And for the first four 
attempts, the firers missed the second target. Of course, 
we made a rather, I guess, disadvantageous error in the 
test by pointing out that they had missed on the second 
target, and there was a conscious effort made on the 
additional rounds to hit the second target.

	On the third target, the angle through which the 
weapon had to be moved to get to the third target from 
the second was relatively small, and there were only two 
rounds which did not hit the target at 270 feet. One of 
these rounds, by the way, was used in the sequence where 
the iron sight was employed.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Mr. Simmons, when you said that 
the firers had to make a large shift relatively in their 
firing position, and were in a hurry, is this your 
interpretation or is this based on discussions with them 
subsequently?

	Mr. Simmons. This is based on discussions with 
the firers after the experiment?

	Mr. Eisenberg. After these tests were finished, 
did you make a determination of the amount of error -- 
average amount of error in the aim of these riflemen?

	Mr. Simmons. Yes. By assuming that all riflemen 
had aimed at the intersection of the lines that we have 
drawn on these pictures, we calculated the total aiming 
-- the aiming error associated with the three riflemen -- 
this is one number to describe the accuracy of all three 
riflemen. And against the first target the accuracy 
observed was about .7 mils, in standard deviation. 
	Against the second target, the accuracy was 1.4 
mils. And against the third target, it was 1.2 mils.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Again could you convert those at a 
hundred yards to inches?

	Mr. Simmons. 0.7 of a mil at 100 yards is 
approximately 2 inches. 1.4 mils is approximately 4 
inches. And 1.2 mils is approximately 3 1/2 inches.

	Mr. Eisenberg. In arriving at these figures, had 
you discounted the round-to-round dispersion as 
determined in the bench rest test?	

	Mr. Simmons. Yes. We have subtracted out the 
round-to-round dispersion.

	Mr. Eisenberg. But the actual accuracy of the 
riflemen would have to include the round-to-round 
dispersion, would it not?

	Mr. Simmons. Yes; it would.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Why did you then subtract the 
round-to-round dispersion figure, or discount it?

	Mr. Simmons. We wanted to determine what the 
aiming error itself was associated with the rifle.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Can you give us the times in which 
the various riflemen used to fire the three shots in each 
sequence?

	Mr. Simmons. Yes. And the numbers which I will 
give you will be the average of two readings on stop 
watches.

	Mr. Eisenberg. For each rifleman?

	Mr. Simmons. For each exercise.

	Mr. Hendrix fired twice. The time for the first 
exercise was 8.25 seconds; the time for the second 
exercise was 7.0 seconds.

	Mr. Staley, on the first exercise, fired in 6 3/4 
seconds; the second attempt he used 6.45 seconds.

	Specialist Miller used 4.6 seconds on his first 
attempt, 5.15 seconds in his second attempt, and 4.45 
seconds in his exercise using the iron sight.

	Mr. Eisenberg. What was the accuracy of 
Specialist Miller?

	Mr. Simmons. I do not have his accuracy separated 
from the group.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Is is possible to separate the 
accuracy out?

	Mr. Simmons. Yes; it is, by and additional 
calculation.	

	Mr. Miller succeeded in hitting the third target 
on both attempts with the telescope. He missed the second 
target on both attempts with the telescope, but he hit 
the second target with the iron sight. And he emplaced 
all three rounds on the target, the first target.

	Mr. Eisenberg. How did he do with the iron sight 
on the third target?

	Mr. Simmons. On the third target he missed the 
boards completely. And we have not checked this out. It 
appears that for the firing posture which Mr. Miller -- 
Specialist Miller uses, the iron sight is not zeroed for 
im, since his impacts on the first and second targets 
were quite high, and against the third target we would 
assume that the projectile went over the top of the 
target, which extended only a few inches over the top of 
the silhouette.

	Mr. Eisenberg. What position did the rifleman 
fire from, Mr. Simmons?

	Mr. Simmons. The firers braced an elbow on the 
window sill and used pretty much a standard sitting 
position, using a stool.

	Mr. Eisenberg. How much practice had they had 
with the weapon, Exhibit 139, before they began firing?

	Mr. Simmons. They had each attempted the exercise 
without the use of ammuntion, and had worked the bolt as 
they tried the exercise. They had not pulled the trigger 
during the exercise, however, because we were a little 
concerned about breaking the firing pin.

	Mr. Eisenberg. Could you give us an estimate of 
how much time they used in this dry-run practice, each?

	Mr. Simmons. They used no more than 2 or 3 
minutes each.